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that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan policy center. good luck trying to explain this to conservative talk radio show host, rush limbaugh. >> i think it's a debt limit as your monthly credit card limit. you can't go over it on your credit card. and the united states government can't spend more than what its credit limit is or its debt limit. now ali velshi at cnn says that has no relation to spending. >> that's right, rush, the debt ceiling was create sod the congress wouldn't constantly need to authorize congress to borrow to raise more money. it doesn't au
that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan...
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ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand -- production, rather. that sends the market up. when i got up this morning and looked at the screen, platinum made that 3% today. i looked at the metal sector and looked at things that were undervalued. i think gold short term will benefit but long term i think platinum is going to be a better bet. if platinum stays higher, than going through the latter part of the year, that could signal a change in the market sentiment. gold is your fear and platinum is going to be demand in manufacturing. that could signal a change but not yet. i think
ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand --...
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ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> but the chairman was fairly upbeat on the outlook for u.s. growth. but, gave no clear hints on when the fed would curb its aggressive bond purchases. we'll have more on the debt ceiling in the next hour when we speak to senator rob portman. you guys, wilbur, you also said we have -- we are fully ready with inflation, we have all the tools we need to exit. >> well, i caution a little bit. historically the fed has always bought short-term paper and it's easy then to raise the interest rates. again you let the paper roll off, you sell it. now they've been buying long-term paper. rates start to go up, fed cou
ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous debt default. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying oh, i know how we can save money we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >>...
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once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob >> it is fwrat to tais great to. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like th
once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same...
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the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 that got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very important. all these issues are important, but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government does not pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. it went part of the way, as you mentioned. but it leaves a number of issues still on the table and traditional negotiations are looming. would you characterize that as an additional cliff that is facing us? or do you think it
the debt ceiling -- raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it does not create new deficits. it does not create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit ratings and i know how we can save money, we will not pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was a very slow solution to the debt ceiling in...
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house over the coming brawl over the debt ceiling. administration officials in a series of statements and discussions saying that all the cool, clever and quirky ideas that people have been talking about to avoid the debt ceiling are off the table. the administration in one form or another over the past several weeks has rejected the platinum coin idea. that was on saturday. scrips or ious issued by the government. and asset sales, which is another thing that's been making the rounds. jay carney on saturday saying there are only two options for putting the nation into default. others say the ideas put off the debt ceiling problem, or make the country look like a banana republic. some house republicans are seriously considering putting the nation into default. po lit ohco in a story this morning said default is becoming more widespread and getting more serious traction than people realize. kathy mcmorris rogers telling politico i think it's possible we would should down the government to make president obama understands that we are ser
house over the coming brawl over the debt ceiling. administration officials in a series of statements and discussions saying that all the cool, clever and quirky ideas that people have been talking about to avoid the debt ceiling are off the table. the administration in one form or another over the past several weeks has rejected the platinum coin idea. that was on saturday. scrips or ious issued by the government. and asset sales, which is another thing that's been making the rounds. jay...
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raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get through the debt ceiling debate, continuing resolution. it's going to be bumpy. we'll take full advantage of a market falldown during that period because you've got three main things going for you. housing turning for real, not just an inventory real liquiification and foreclosures. all that have stuff turning for real. it will turn into unemployment back half of the year. a little better transparency on fiscal policy. not necessarily the fix but the transparency. business cap "x" second half of the year and every single central bank in t
raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get...
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one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move the last minute further out. if these guys need three to six months to do it up right and get a compromise. i'm willing to give them four to six months extra time. >> settling a debt ceiling issue is in the interest of the president and of our country. you have today fitch came out and threatened to decrease the credit rating and they are doing it in a way that areckless because you have outside observers looking at us and i want to highlight a point you made earlier which is the fact that all spending bills are in the constitution. we are looki
one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move...
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we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need restraint of a debt ceiling to prevent the spending from even going further? >> no. and it doesn't restrain spending at all. congress makes the decisions as to what to spend, what the level of taxation should be, what the level of spending should be. the debt ceiling is just there and, says you can not pay the bills that you voted to incur a year ago and two years ago and three years ago. and that is just wrong. now it used to be harmless in that the debt ceiling would be raised with a little demagoguing here and there but no one ever seriously suggested not raising it. it w
we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need...
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debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we will see the sequester, the path of least resistance. congress has to do something to prevent the sequester and the president agree to it. it's unlikely, 1$1.2 trillion, using the dollar for dollar basis, do it twice and -- >> have you seen "41," movie, "41." i saw a couple clips and president bush talking about the nixon year, because he was there and what was it like to be a republican. he said it was not a great time to be a republican at the end of the nixon era and the prospects for the party didn't look very positive. i don't know. it
debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we...
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: markets are almost treating the fight over the debt ceiling as the sequel to a bad movie. and investors have a pretty good feel for how this cliffhanger ends. >> they don't really care about the brinksmanship until they are right up to the brink, but also, the more dangerous the fall, off the brink, they figure the less likely that it's going to happen. >> reporter: treasury secretary timothy geithner told congress today that unless it acts, the nation will not be able to pay its bills sometime around mid- february or early march. so with a month of so to go, there is no solution in sight. darren gersh, washington, d.c. >> tom: federal reserve chairman ben bernanke echoed the president's comments on the debt ceiling today, in a speech at the university of michigan, he said congress has to take action to avoid a situation where our government doesn't pay its bills. ahead of that, stocks were mixed, the blue chip dow rose almost 19 points, while the nasdaq dropped eight, and the s&p 500 down a point. >> susie: weighing on the nasdaq today: apple. the stock got crushed, on wo
: markets are almost treating the fight over the debt ceiling as the sequel to a bad movie. and investors have a pretty good feel for how this cliffhanger ends. >> they don't really care about the brinksmanship until they are right up to the brink, but also, the more dangerous the fall, off the brink, they figure the less likely that it's going to happen. >> reporter: treasury secretary timothy geithner told congress today that unless it acts, the nation will not be able to pay its...
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president obama tells congress we're not a deadbeat nation, and they need to raise the debt ceiling now, so we can pay our bills on time. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. a sour day for apple investors. the stock tumbles to 11 month lows on new worries about waning demand for the iphone 5. >> susie: but a banner day for g.m., the cadillac ats takes car of the year at the big auto show in detroit, and its new corvette stingray wows gear heads around the globe. >> tom: that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! >> susie: the next big fight in washington has begun. president obama today called on republican lawmakers to authorize an increase in the nations debt limit, saying that messing with it could potentially have catastrophic results for many americans and the overall economy. he warned markets would go haywire if congress does not act, interest rates would rise, and checks to social security beneficiaries would stop. and he said even thinking about the u.s. not paying its bills is irresponsible and, "absurd". darren gersh reports. >> reporter: in his first news conference of the new year the presiden
president obama tells congress we're not a deadbeat nation, and they need to raise the debt ceiling now, so we can pay our bills on time. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. a sour day for apple investors. the stock tumbles to 11 month lows on new worries about waning demand for the iphone 5. >> susie: but a banner day for g.m., the cadillac ats takes car of the year at the big auto show in detroit, and its new corvette stingray wows gear heads around the globe. >> tom: that and more...
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debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effect of way to improve your credit rating. >> ben bernanke says the u.s. economy appears to be willing to raise the debt ceiling. it's downplaying fierce that this could lead to higher inflation. >>. >> what do you think? >> well, i think, you know, what we've seen in the beginning of the year, like the solution of the fiscal cliff for the
debt ceiling. i love the debt clock. it's almost as fast as the amount of money they're going to earn tr nike. >> and is we'll talk about that. >> meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke speaking monday warned the u.s. economy isn't out of the woods yet and is still at risk from political gridlock. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new...
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we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in the private sector, which needs to be fluffed off. there's a deraef raejing that you've been seeing right across the western world is still going to go on, i think, for the best part of this decade. >> and we heard leading up to this election that rarely has a u.s. president been elected with such high levels of unemployment. what was different this time? >> oh, i think it had something to do with the candidate he was facing not being able to energize the public. but i also think, look, reflation? the public loves that, right? free money. >> but do th
we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in...
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adam: before we get to the debt ceiling. california overestimated how much tax revenue they would get from the facebook ipo. the overestimated by $600 million. you can hear jerry brown doing a homer simpson. can you trust governments to get the numbers right? the fight over the debt ceiling is in full force. as democratdemocrats propose a o eliminate it completely and the ratings have come out with two scenarios in which it was downgraded the u.s. credit rating. not good news. some republicans are relishing the debt ceiling does indeed have to be raised. joining us now, ihs chief economist and we appreciate you being here. is this fight we are about to have necessary, and what is going to happen to whether it is the global market, 401(k), what will happen to all of us if congress passes this fight? >> this is not a necessary fight. this situation created by congress which sent the debt ceilinfrom years ago in hopes it would impose some discipline but of course it hasn't because it has been raised and raised and raised and no
adam: before we get to the debt ceiling. california overestimated how much tax revenue they would get from the facebook ipo. the overestimated by $600 million. you can hear jerry brown doing a homer simpson. can you trust governments to get the numbers right? the fight over the debt ceiling is in full force. as democratdemocrats propose a o eliminate it completely and the ratings have come out with two scenarios in which it was downgraded the u.s. credit rating. not good news. some republicans...
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. >> stop using the debt ceiling. you'll have a continuing resolution that runs out two weeks afterwards. why risk. in fact, if this is the rhetorical debate you want to have -- >> the problem with the republican party we get into this incrementalism where we assume we can win and keep putting off the debate. let's have a debate about whether or not we should balance our budget. >> a continuing resolution will be passed. the debt ceiling will be raised, right. >> i agree. the debt limit should be raised. >> should be raised with spending cuts and policy changes. >> why. >> so we can put our nation on a path to balance. >> why not have the fight on resolution. you're talking about future spending and not threatening the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. >> nobody is threatening the full faith and credit. >> it undermines your argument to have it during the debt ceiling debate. >> we can have this debate right now. we need it for the next month and come together a month from now and figure out where we stand
. >> stop using the debt ceiling. you'll have a continuing resolution that runs out two weeks afterwards. why risk. in fact, if this is the rhetorical debate you want to have -- >> the problem with the republican party we get into this incrementalism where we assume we can win and keep putting off the debate. let's have a debate about whether or not we should balance our budget. >> a continuing resolution will be passed. the debt ceiling will be raised, right. >> i...
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ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows t
ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or...
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ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer transferred its rights to sue for losses that it incurred on its troubled bonds when it sold $2 billion in securities to the fed in 20308. aig is preserving its right to sue the federal government and other debts. >> fed chairman ben bernanke is going to speak and answer questions at the university of michigan. in d.c., president obama is said to be forging ahead on a wide ranging plan to overhaul the immigration plan this year. this includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country. immigrants would have to pay fines and back taxes. it would require businesses to veri
ceiling is still around. >> easily, though. >> the debt ceiling is still around. you are still dealing with that and, of course, the sequester issue. there are a lot of questions about what happens. we're speccing to run into that debt ceiling sometime between february 15th and march 1st. in the meantime, let's talk about corporate news. aig is suiciding maiden lane over lawsuit rights. it's the federal vehicle created during aig's bailout. at issue is whether the insurer...
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we already hit the debt ceiling that isn't commonly realized. the question do you want to draw a line there and mess around with a market reaction or draw a line on funding the government? if you're not going to fund the government our option is to shut down the government. if you want to resort to drastic measures talk about a threat to shut down the government, not a threat to default on america's debt. that is interesting choice republicans will talk about over the next few days. the white house would prefer to have none of the above. tracy: right. >> if you're going to use leverage, which is the smartest leverage to use. tracy: talk about that. is it legal for treasury to prioritize its bills basically? regardless what happens, we're probably still going to make our interest payments aren't we? >> that is kind of the argument that emerged in the last couple days. republicans are saying look there is no threat of default here. if we hit the debt ceiling it means the government can only spend as much revenue coming in on any given day. you can
we already hit the debt ceiling that isn't commonly realized. the question do you want to draw a line there and mess around with a market reaction or draw a line on funding the government? if you're not going to fund the government our option is to shut down the government. if you want to resort to drastic measures talk about a threat to shut down the government, not a threat to default on america's debt. that is interesting choice republicans will talk about over the next few days. the white...
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president obama has said he will not negoatiate on raising the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling, while house republican leader john boehner is insisting a debt increase would have to be accompanied by spending cuts to programs such as medicare. boehner has promised a vote tomorrow on $51 billion in aid to hurricane sandy vicitms. theres alot up in the air at boeing after a series of leaks and electrical glitches last week involving its latest aircraft, dubbed the 787 dreamliner. the faa will begin reviewing how the airliner is designed, manufacturered and assembled, with particular attention to the miles of electrical wiring used instead of heavier hydrallic systems. in a statement, boeing says "we are never satisfied while there is room for improvement. we welcome this opportunity to conduct this joint review." joe schwieterman of depaul university says it is too early for investors to be worried. "investors get nervous when there are these rollouts and there are problems. if this gets worse, boeing's stock could be affected, but i doubt it will be at this point. but who knows what will be
president obama has said he will not negoatiate on raising the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling, while house republican leader john boehner is insisting a debt increase would have to be accompanied by spending cuts to programs such as medicare. boehner has promised a vote tomorrow on $51 billion in aid to hurricane sandy vicitms. theres alot up in the air at boeing after a series of leaks and electrical glitches last week involving its latest aircraft, dubbed the 787 dreamliner. the faa will begin...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already authorized. and, you know, the notion that republicans in the house or maybe some republicans in the senate would suggest that in order for us to get our way on our spending priorityies, that e would risk the full faith and credit of the united states, that, i think, is not what the founders intended. that's not how, i think, most americans think our democracy should work. they've got a point of view. democrats in congress have a point of view. they need to sit down and work out a compromise. [ inaudible ] yeah. >> and you're not negotiating on the debt c
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. and we are not a deadbeat nation. and the consequences of us not paying our bills, as i outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous. so i understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. but there's one way to get around this. there's one way to deal with it, and that is for congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already...
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bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation
bernanke weighing in on the debt ceiling in michigan late yesterday. >> raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit...
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treasuries tapping government workers' retirement funds to avoid hitting the debt ceiling. the treasury previously estimated the move would give it around $156 billion in additional borrowing capacity. it says retirees will still receive their benefits. in a letter to the house speaker john boehner, the treasury secretary says this step has been taken before during previous debt limit impasses. several conservative republicans are set to introduce legislation to direct treasury to prioritize debt payments if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. >>> and president obama will unveil his gun control plan today at 11:45 eastern. he's expected to call on congress to ban military-style assault weapons and the type of high-capacity ammunition used in last month's school shooting in newtown, connecticut. the package will also include efforts to stop school bullying and invest available mental health services. may include several steps the president can take right away without congressional approval. >>> the house of representatives has passed more than $50 billion in aid for hur
treasuries tapping government workers' retirement funds to avoid hitting the debt ceiling. the treasury previously estimated the move would give it around $156 billion in additional borrowing capacity. it says retirees will still receive their benefits. in a letter to the house speaker john boehner, the treasury secretary says this step has been taken before during previous debt limit impasses. several conservative republicans are set to introduce legislation to direct treasury to prioritize...
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with jimmy p. as well. missing an interest payment, a very low probability. >> that where some of the confusion seems to be, steve. exact lit public understanding. that why we are here at cnbc to what the risk really is. is someone not going to get their social security check? is the post office not going to be paid? what would happen first? >> brian, a lot of people don't understand because it is complicated. neither side of this depate want you to understand the reality here. on the one hand, the administration wants you to -- doesn't want you to know there are two options here. def
but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with...
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they are fighting over the debt ceiling. no worries about our ability to repay our debt. ♪ [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? maybe you want to incorporate a business. orrotect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a legaplan attorney is available in most states with every personalized document to answer questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. >> i have your fox business brief. conoco phillips is selling some of its properties in north dakota and montana. the deal is expected to close in the first quarter. shares of usa compression partners are under pressure. the pricing of the company of 11 million shares at $18 each fell short of the estimated range. they are the first ipo of the year. shares of given imaging are trailing on news that they are taking itself off the market. they are no longer considering a sale or possible merger. they will focus on their current operating plan. that is the latest from the fox bu
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trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used by one person, but many of them were used on multiple people. >> surfers, beware. you have to look at this video. it's shocking. >> standing on the shore? >> he has his toes in the water. two sharks were spotted dangerously close to shore in honolulu. this was off of oahu. they are like ten feet offshore. >> i will call him a dingaling if he is in the water. >> he's a hero. >> there is flooding and ice. from the weather center, you said snow is on the way as well? >> that's right. it's coming to you guys. it's coming into a north and west of new york into connecticut as well. that's not today's concern. we have the s
trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used...
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the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family, which is trying to improve its credit rating sank i know how we can save money, we won't pay off credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was the very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august 2011 i got the u.s. downgraded last time. so it's very, very important that all these issues are important but it's very, very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where our government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in the deal. as you mention it certainly went part way but it leaves another the issues still on the table, and additional negotiations and are looking. would you characterize that as an additional clip that is facing us, or do you think that
the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling, which congress has to do periodically, gives the government the ability to pay existing bills. it doesn't create new deficits. it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family, which is trying to improve its credit rating sank i know how we can save money, we won't pay off credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. it was the very slow solution to the debt ceiling in august 2011...
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and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive. ♪ you know my heart burns for you... ♪ i'm up next, but now i'm singing the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief s! >>> the board of jpmorgan cutting jamie dimon's pay by 50% in light of a multibillion dollar loss last year. down from $23 million from the year before. that brings us to this morning's squawk on the tweet. how might jamie dimon tighten his belt. tweet us at squawk street. there's a lot of -- i don't want to say hatred, but ill wi
and speaking out on the debt ceiling showdown. as we head to break, look at the early movers here on wall street. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price"...
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we don't have to raise debt ceiling if sequestration happens. as a result republicans had a bargaining chip. lori: talk about the investments. emerging markets you like china and asia. in our tease we said germany too. >> yes. lori: i don't know if germany is really emerging markets. we'll start with emerging markets and move on. >> 2012 to 2013, 2012 we were heavily allocated in the u.s. now we're looking back overseas again. i'm not suggesting a dark cloud over europe is gone right now but i do think there are great opportunities in northern europe and germany remains as the one gem in europe in terms of that economic prowess. lori: tell me about the emerging markets. these economies in many ways are outperforming the u.s. many say put emerging markets into retirement if you want to earn a decent yield at this point you have to mix it up with the emerging markets. not alternative investment it used to be. >> correct. the old bric trade from 2007 and pull out r and o, invest in brazil and china those are two countries to be in. europe and u.s.
we don't have to raise debt ceiling if sequestration happens. as a result republicans had a bargaining chip. lori: talk about the investments. emerging markets you like china and asia. in our tease we said germany too. >> yes. lori: i don't know if germany is really emerging markets. we'll start with emerging markets and move on. >> 2012 to 2013, 2012 we were heavily allocated in the u.s. now we're looking back overseas again. i'm not suggesting a dark cloud over europe is gone...
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there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen, right? that's what people say. >> okay. >> relax, steve. >> i'm okay. >> what happens is the rating agencies -- >> your heart rate is going. >> what's that? >> what about the ratings agencies if they were to downgrade us, if we went over, if we went over for a day it's one thing, if we went over and stayed for a week, do they look at it just because washington can't get along, that's reason enough for another downgrade? >> that's a critical question. that's why the democrats are likely to define default as missing any government payment becaus
there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen,...
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. >>> onto the debt ceiling. the deadline approaching so it washington on the verge of killing an economy that many people think is actually experiencing a very nice little rebound? we're going to ask loan ceo jim tisch when "power lunch" returns. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. >>> four days before the inauguration the latest nbc wall street journal poll is out with the breaking news. john harwood in washington. john? >> tyler, we've just got one question. the full poll comes out tonight but this shows you some of the difficulty president obama is going to face with this gun control issue he's pursuing. look at the public image of the national rifle association. it shows you it's a pretty tough target. at three different decision points after tragedies, columbine they had
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the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i think sometimes we miss the point that there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all of this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling, sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling and get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with
the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to reduce the security that people expect in their old age. so we're talking about social security here. talking about mid care. we're talking about medicaid. these are foundations for the future life of most of the working population of the country at the moment. if you cut them, people will draw back in their current activity, at least to some degree. >> right. >> so you're basically saying you're going to do something which will squeeze people's living standards out in the future. it will not have any direct effect today on economic activity. except to the extent that people
let's talk about the debt ceiling. is it an overrated crisis? our next guest is from austin, texas, james galbraith, university of texas economist. also the author of "inequality and instability." we want to talk to but the debt ceiling, particularly entitlements, james. what is your sense, if today and now is not the time to cut entitlements, when is the time to cut entitlements? >> i don't think it's a good idea, from the standpoint of the future of the american economy to...
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you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling. sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling, get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the essential responsibility of congress to pay the bills that congress has incurred. >> what do you think? >> well, it's an interesting question. how does he not negotiate with congress, if congress won't raise it, if it the president doesn't do something like cut spending? so it's kind of an awkward sort of situation. and i think the troubling aspect for the markets, you basically have two immovable objects here. republicans who say we won't raise the debt ceiling if you don't cut spending and a president who says, first of all, i'm not going to cut spending unless you also raise taxes and i'm not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling. i think if past is prologue, i don't think the markets or the private se
you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling. sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling, get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the essential responsibility of congress to pay the bills that congress has incurred. >> what do you think? >>...
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. >> the debt ceiling debate continues. >> the real issue here is, we all know, is spending. >> what are the risks of huge dispense cuts? >> operation commitment, and trading will be gutted. we will ground aircraft, return ships to port, and sharply curtail training across the force. >> a bill before the while the state legislature would make a federal legend try to enforce a ban on arms federal -- guilty of a felony. there are similar measures in texas. the governor of mississippi want to make it illegal in the state to makin force any new gun laws. how many times have we had this debate? this time after the massacre in connecticut, the president says it is different. the president has said 23 executive order is aimed at reducing gun violence and is urging congress to reduce -- and it back crunchers' for all gun sales purity is also asking americans to put heat on members of congress to get there. >> ask for a member of congress if they support universal back rent checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. if they say no, ask them why not. >> the nra response was predictably immedi
. >> the debt ceiling debate continues. >> the real issue here is, we all know, is spending. >> what are the risks of huge dispense cuts? >> operation commitment, and trading will be gutted. we will ground aircraft, return ships to port, and sharply curtail training across the force. >> a bill before the while the state legislature would make a federal legend try to enforce a ban on arms federal -- guilty of a felony. there are similar measures in texas. the...
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ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world have this particular institution. the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whatever, and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. the arithmetic here says, you have to borrow $20. no, congress has to give a third 100-80 = says the 180at 20. logically, there is got to be something to make up the difference. the way to address it is by having a sensible plan for spending, insensible span foplar revenue. as i was saying before, this is like a family saying, we're spending too much. let's stop paying our credit
ceiling so we can pay our debts. i think that is what will eventually happen. i do not think the going often the other direction would be that helpful. >> -- that going off in the other direction would be that helpful. >> i am a second year at the board's school. does the debt ceiling still have a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> it has got symbolic value. maybe one or two other countries, but essentially no other countries and the world...
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but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran. >> it's hard to believe if we can't get a meaningful negotiation within the next two years that you will not have it read capable of producing a nuclear weapons. then, the u.s. has the choice in its negotiations -- will the solution be containment or is it going to be a preventive strike? >> as he takes the oath again, he will do it with the experience of that presidencies are often formed by crises that happened outside of their control. he will know all folksy brought here last i did not change washington. he will try something -- you have to try something new if you want to accomplish his ambitious agenda thi
but his first priority is getting congress to increase the nation's debt ceiling at that talk about cutting the debt. that's where some think he will try to cement his legacy. >> he's going to try to get our long term in thailand obligations under control and set us on a new fiscal course. >> the president's first foreign-policy priority last term was israeli-palestinian peace. it's unlikely to take the top spot the second time, where most expect the president's focus to be on iran....
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earlier, we said that as we do with the debt ceiling once again we're going as more of a debt popple. this higher interest rate proposal would be devastating for the economy. >> and how about ball mark? >> yes, they have pledged to hire 100,000 veterans that are returning from the war over the next five years. and a job is a job, let us just remember that even if is a transition jobs. soldiers are known for their commitment, sacrifice. wal- mart believes that the leadership to want to be seen as a blue-chip company. >> thank you, rob. and now, coca-cola we all know that obesity is a huge health problem in the u.s. and now - the people at coca-cola seem to be joining the fight against calories. but many wonder if this is really just an example of good marketing. felicia taylor has the story. pay attention to the man walking away from the camera. let's stop the video right here now the question is will the postal truck do the right panel also, coca-cola still seeing increases with their non-cola items. the company is already getting cal ripken to the front of their labels. felicia taylo
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that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer. hope you will come back and join us again sometime. >> thank you. >> second inauguration of president obama takes place on monday, january 21st. that will martin luther king, jr. he will be sworn in on the day before, the 20th, as per the constitution. i will host a special cnbc event. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that is, monday, martin luther king, jr. day. >> sue? >> ty, shares of lululemon continue to be under pressure on the back of the latest outlook. what is ahead for the yoga appear el maker? courtney is live in miami. courtney? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer
that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer....
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second, you have the tet ceiling. it is -- the debt ceiling. it is the wrong thing to hold the country hostage. it is also going to be a play. we know there's going to be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past it was kind of a speed bump that reminded folks we were borrowing too much, and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder, not if it goes as far where people start to really worry about the faith of the u.s. government and it starts to do economic damage, which is what we saw last time. the third or piece is the continuing resolution, the fact that government spending is going to expire, and the sort of triple witching hour of these three issues is another kind of fiscal cliff. the question is, is it going to force angst with the hardest -- action with the hardest pieces still remaining, or when it came to the fiscal cliff for all intents and purposes -- listen, it's good we raised some revenues, but we basically punted. we punted all the hard choices, and they sort of tried to declare a bipartisan victory. but it wasn'
second, you have the tet ceiling. it is -- the debt ceiling. it is the wrong thing to hold the country hostage. it is also going to be a play. we know there's going to be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past it was kind of a speed bump that reminded folks we were borrowing too much, and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder, not if it goes as far where people start to really worry about the faith of the u.s. government and it starts to do economic damage, which is what...
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as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game is over. tenfold. because believe me, though congress can stand up to the senior lobby. so that is not a legitimate process to take the debt ceiling as the hostage. the appropriate goal, whether the debate should occur. the president gets to talk about the faults. he gets to talk about social security. we should be talking about spending. spending restraints. where is the logical place to do this? the logical place is on the sequestered. that is where the next pressure point should be. we should have the debate over how much spending should be restrained and how it should be restrained. the sequester
as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game...